Interviews TORCH TALK DAILY with Eric Bischoff: In-depth look at why Vince McMahon is marketing the WWE product as PG family-friendly
Nov 20, 2009 - 12:00:23 PM
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On Monday, September 14, PWTorch editor Wade Keller interviewed former WCW President Eric Bischoff an exclusive multi-hour "Torch Talk" interview covering a variety of controversial subjects from the Monday Night War period, his days on WWE TV, his 2006 autobiography, and the "Rise & Fall of WCW" DVD.
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We present today's latest question and answer from Part 4(b). Tune in tomorrow for the next series of Q&A's from part 4.
Wade Keller: I'm actually really curious to ask this, because this might be related, too. WWE went public. After they went public, how do you think that changed the way Vince McMahon approached the creative side of his company. Do you think he became more or less daring? Or do you think he's just exactly the same and it's just a different financial structure?
Eric Bischoff: I don't think it has anything to do with being public. He went public and then went into Attitude. Some of the most controversial things that he's ever done, he did shortly after he went public. So I don't think his sensitivity or any outside pressure of being a public company has ever had any effect on his creative or business decisions. I do think that the advertising environment and the network environment has forced him or motivated him to change the tone and the direction of his company into this PG family-friendly environment. Because wrestling is a tough sale in the ad sales market. I've said this before and I think most people who follow the business side of the wrestling business closely understand that in even the best of ad sales environments when the economy is moving along great and ad sales are strong and networks are strong, even in the best of environments, wrestling is a tough sell because it's not fish and it's not fowl. It's not really a sport, it's not really drama, it's not really reality. It doesn't call into a neat little box that advertisers can get behind that advertisers can get behind and feel comfortable selling to their clients. Meaning if I'm Omnicom or an Omnicom company and my job is to manage my clients who may be General Motors or whoever, pick a Fortune 500 advertiser, my job as an advertising executive is to bring great opportunities to my client. I am judged on a day-to-day basis based on my ability or my expertise in maximizing my client's advertising dollars. So when I go to my client and I'm an advertising executive and say, "Hey, I think you should dump a bunch of money into professional wrestling," more often than not that's met with a lot of resistance or quizzical looks. That's in a good environment.
Now you go into a very difficult ad sales environment like we've really been in now for two years, and all of a sudden you can't have any controversial elements to your recommendations to your clients if you're an ad sales exec. You can't go in and say, "Hey, I think we should dump ten million dollars a year into professional wrestling" and these guys are giving birth to hands and flipping people off and girls are making out and stripping in the middle of the ring. You will no longer have a client. Because of market conditions and the change in the television industry and network's reactions to it, I think Vince has been forced to really go into that PG kind of an area. I don't think he went as willingly as it probably appears. Maybe he did. I could be dead wrong. I have no idea from the inside, obviously. Just knowing what I know and knowing how challenging this PG environment is and how challenging it is creatively because you lose so many tools. Once you make that commitment to be family-friendly, PG, your creative toolbox goes from the size of a pick-up truck to the size of a shoe-box. You lose so many different elements and tools and things to do. I don't think anybody would willingly go there, personally.
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He has interviewed big-name players in person incluiding Vince McMahon (at WWE Headquarters), Dana White (in Las Vegas), Eric Bischoff (at the first Nitro at Mall of America), Brock Lesnar (after his first UFC win).
He hosted the weekly Pro Wrestling Focus radio show on KFAN in the early 1990s and hosted the Ultimate Insiders DVD series distributed in retail stories internationally in the mid-2000s including interviews filmed in Los Angeles with Vince Russo & Ed Ferrara and Matt & Jeff Hardy. He currently hosts the most listened to pro wrestling audio show in the world, (the PWTorch Livecast, top ranked in iTunes)
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