PWTORCH.COM
VIP SIGN-UP JUMP TO VIP
CONTACT US VISIT MMA TORCH




Select Next Article by Category





TAKE PWTORCH
WITH YOU!

PWTORCH IPHONE APP
Get our iPhone App (FREE!): Click Here
Or enter "PWTorch.com" on your Blackberry or other Smart Phone browser for mobile-version of PWTorch.


Torch Feedback
WWE Bash PPV Reax #2: "Edge's storyline with Vickie Guerrero what could have been the most important match of his career."
Jul 21, 2008 - 1:02:22 PM


David of St. Louis, Mo. (5.0): Best Match: Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels. Worst Match: Tommy Dreamer vs. Mark Henry. What's up with all these shady finishes on PPV matches in wrestling right now? Last Sunday, TNA pissed off many people who paid $30 to see Joe vs. Booker with that stupid finish. Tonight, WWE doesn't give a decent finish in my opinion to Jericho-Shawn and Punk-Batista. I understand Shawn fighting and not giving up, but there should have been a winner and a loser. C.M. Punk's awesome title win moment is starting to feel worthless if they continue to put zero faith into him booking-wise. Gotta push the Kane storyline, I get that, but Punk has worked too hard too long, and deserved a win over Dave tonight. Just a bullsh-- finish for the sake of pushing the Kane deal and setting up Batista-Kane-Punk probably for Summerslam. There are already pockets of fans who don't understand, like hardcore fans do, the strengths and uniqeness of Punk. Those fans are booing him right now, because they're used to the big guys on top. Booking Punk like crap might turn more casual fans on him and I don't want that to happen, as I know how hard Punk has worked. Triple H vs. Edge was a TV match with the predictable ending. Nice to see some title changes for a change. Hawkins & Ryder might be able to do some good. Shelton Benjamin is good, but bland as white paint. Mark Henry as ECW Champion is boring, but hats off to Colin Delanay for turning heel. The whole teacher/student bullsh-- has been done to death in wrestling. Shawn vs. Jericho went from first gear, to second gear, to third, then jumped right back to first. An awesome match booked crappy. We've seen Shawn injured and helped to the back 100 times; let's just see a war between 'em with a winner and loser for a change. The JBL-Cena match was pretty sweet, actually. Lots of violent bumps taken by both. Surprised JBL won because I thought his back was hurting again. Cena & JBL are good at all they do, so mabye I won't really mind another bout between em'.

Rick Gardner of Manchester, England (6.5): Best match: Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho. Worst match: John Cena vs. JBL. A decent line-up coupled with improvements in the WWE's creative direction made the Great American Bash a thoroughly worthwhile show. It was telling how many of the matches had a well-developed backstory, as in the past the company has been guilty of throwing together matches in the fortnight before their pay-per-views. The Michaels-Jericho match was a cut above the rest, providing great drama and successfully furthering what has already been a fantastic feud. C.M. Punk and Batista complimented each other's styles nicely, and their match was highly entertaining while it lasted. Batista should be commended for striving to improve in the ring, as it certainly wasn't a case of C.M. Punk carrying him. The only real negative was the Cena-JBL match. While the action itself was good, torching a car and ramming a car with a forklift as throwaway spots was not only wasteful, it also undermined the work put into the Michaels-Jericho match. The time spent on selling Michaels's eye as a legitimate injury paid dividends by creating a memorable finish that will make both competitors stronger for a potential rematch. In contrast, JBL set fire to the car half way through their match, and Cena not only managed to continue, he basically no-sold the affects being inside a torched car. Spots like that should only be used for big angles, if at all. The rest of the card was enjoyable on the whole. Every match featured either a title change or a storyline advancement, which added to the overall sense of purpose that the WWE has been exhibiting since the draft last month. Shelton Benjamin is supremely talented, and hopefully his U.S. Title win will not be the beginning of yet another stop-start push. Colin Delaney's heel turn was unexpected and slightly bizarre, but will hopefully result in a meaningful storyline for Tommy Dreamer. Edge is by far the best character in the WWE at the moment, and while his storyline with Vickie Guerrero overshadowed what could have been the most important match of his career, it will be fascinating to see what is in store for such a well-rounded heel. The Great American Bash provided solid wrestling and a couple of really good matches whilst creating further interest in the WWE's storylines prior to Summerslam next month. In other words, it was everything a WWE "B-show" should be.

Jeremy Quist of Lynchburg, Va. (7.0) Best Match: Triple H vs Edge. Worst Match: McCool vs Natayla. This PPV was what I expected it would be. I was really hoping for a big suprise; it just never came. John Cena vs JBL was cartoonish. Why are they pushing JBL? I think it is obvious that Kane is carrying his mask in that bag that he brings to ringside. Why did they only give Natayla five minutes to wrestle? Why did Natayla not win? That history would have meant a lot more to her than it does to McCool, who will be out of the business in a few years anyways. I think Shelton Benjamin deserves a push, but it's too bad that it comes at the expense of Matt Hardy. They had a pretty good match, though. The hype for it was pathetic. I think I finally get the whole deal with HBK and I don't like it. They will not give Shawn a strap because he does not work house shows. I read about how he is telling great stories in the ring. That is fair. He did last night, but I am tired of him faking injuries. It takes away from the great wrestler that he is in the ring. It's like we are having candy pushed in our faces that we have always loved, but we are not even allowed to taste it anymore. C.M. Punk was okay in his first PPV title defense. He did not look as ridiculous as I thought he would against Batista. Sure Batista can push him over with his pinky, but Punk made himself believeable with his stick and move kicks. Why was his match before Cena's? Punk is the champ. Why did Punk get introduced first? They either must treat him like the champ or strip him of the belt. I am not a Punk fan, but even I can see that they are not giving the kid a fair shake. They are probably selling him that being treated like an underdog is merely part of his gimmick, but too much more of it will bury him with the fans. He's too small as it is. The four-way tag match was just okay. The new champs are dull. Maybe John Morrison can finally break out of his shell now. Mark Henry was too slow last night. I am a big fan of his, but he proves his critics right whe he gives a performance like that. Triple H vs. Edge was the best match of the night, but it was supposed to be. It really wasn't that great, though. The Vickie interference was predictable and boring. Why not have them have a great match with a clean finish? Nobody lost anything, but the fans did not gain anything from that match. What can Triple H brag about? He needed Vickie's help. This sets up a rematch. That is getting annoying. Why do we always have to see the same championship matches over and over? Why can't the champ move on after he beats an opponent. Everybody kept saying that Jeff Hardy would get the title shot at Summerslam, but I knew they would have a rematch. We had to watch Triple H vs. Randy Orton about five times this year. They can put Jim Ross's announce table in the middle, but that doesn't change the fact that we no longer get to hear him call the live show the night after the PPV.       

We welcome your 1-10 score and comments on this show for a "PPV Reax" feature in the Torch Feedback section of PWTorch.com. Just to add a twist to this feature, include not just your hometown, but also your occupation (mechanic, lawyer, stay-at-home-dad, college student, etc.) so readers get a flavor for what everyone does as "day jobs." To contribute your thoughts on Raw, click here.

Comment on this Article Below

(CLICK FOR COMMENTS RULES OR TO REPORT ABUSE)
[an error occurred while processing this directive]

(CLICK FOR COMMENTS RULES OR TO REPORT ABUSE)

ALSO DISCUSS MORE SUBJECTS IN OUR PWTORCH FREE FORUM

For more BREAKING NEWS on WWE, TNA!
VISIT OUR AFFILIATE - PROWRESTLING.NET


For UFC NEWS & BLOGS:
VISIT OUR SISTER SITE - MMATORCH.COM

Upgrade to PWTORCH VIP: DETAILS & SIGN-UP INFO


MORE "Torch Feedback" ARTICLES
Smackdown TV Reax #1: "Fresh match-ups, superstars, and storylines just create great TV"
Thursday Night TV Reax - SS/Impact: "X Division, we hardly knew ya after Abyss beat up the only two representatives who showed up"
ECW TV Reax #2: "Yoshi is already on the road to being the next Funaki at this point"
ECW TV Reax #1: "I think Abraham Washington has some charisma, but dear Lord, that was the most pointless segment in pro wrestling history"
WWE Raw Reax #4: "I'm not sure how WWE could have made it any clearer that MVP isn't in Triple H's league"
WWE Raw Reax #3: "I like the ECW influx, but I fear for what may happen to Bourne and Swagger"
WWE Raw Reax #2: "Henry's move to Raw was a bit of a surprise; his apparent face turn was a bigger surprise"
WWE Raw Reax #1: "I find it ironic the flagship had to be bailed out by Smackdown and ECW"
WWE The Bash PPV Reax #2: "For all this Miz-Cena buildup, the match was simply an unmitigated squash"
WWE The Bash PPV Reax #1: "I'll quite happily pay for another match between Rey and Jericho"
WWE Superstars/Smackdown Reax #1: "There is a sweet fork in the road with Punk and either possibility is a good one"
WWE Raw Reax #1: "How bad is the show when the MVP is a bucket of chicken?"
TNA Impact Reax #1: "Nothing jumps out as something that will be (or is allowed to be) the Slammiversary PPV draw"
WWE Raw/ECW TV Reax: "Let's just pray that we can make it through this Trump storyline in one piece"
WWE Raw Reax #1: "The Trump announcement was just... garbage, like a vacuum, sucking out any sort of energy or believability."
ECW/Smackdown Reax #1: "The door was open to turn C.M. Punk heel, but something key was missing..."
WWE Superstars Reax #1: "Jericho deserves credit for his interactions lately with R-Truth, Dirk Ziggler, Morrison, Rey, etc."
TORCH READERS WRITE BACK: Why was Kozlov smiling on the ECW TV broadcast?
WWE Raw Reax #4: "I was excited for Miz-Cena - I like the way they're building this feud and I don't want it messed up"
WWE Raw Reax #3: "The burial of Orton and Legacy was sealed with an exclamation point"

(c) 1999-2009 TDH Communications Inc. - All rights reserved.

QUICK CLICK REFERENCE LISTING
-CLICK TO FOLLOW PWTORCH ON TWITTER!
-CLICK FOR OUR FREE PWTORCH IPHONE APP

-CLICK FOR OUR FREE PODCAST (#1 in iTunes!)
-CLICK TO GET INFO ON BECOMING A VIP MEMBER
-CLICK TO VISIT MMATORCH.COM
-CLICK TO VISIT PROWRESTLING.NET

-CLICK TO EMAIL PWTORCH EDITORS


PWTORCH READER POLL

FOURTH OF JULY POLL: What's your favorite July 4th "gimmick" in pro wrestling?
The Great American Bash
The Bash
Consequences Creed
Independent wrestling
The Patriot Del Wilkes
Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Mr. USA Tony Atlas
U.S. Title
USWA promotion
Babyface Sgt. Slaughter
Olympic Gold Medalist Kurt Angle
Lex Luger bodyslams Yokozuna
USA Network
  

VOTE IN OR SEE RESULTS OF PREVIOUS POLLS


ARE YOU VIP? SIGN UP NOW FOR $7.50 A MONTH FOR INSTANT ACCESS TO AD-FREE, BENEFIT-PACKED VIP VERSION OF PWTORCH.COM (see screen capture)
PWTORCH VIP HOME PAGE

INFO ON SUBSCRIPTION TO AD-FREE VIP SITE

INCREDIBLE BENEFITS!
Over 50 full-length audio updates per month (iPod compatible)... New weekly award-winning Pro Wrestling Torch Newsletter (text and printable pdf versions) with latest exclusive insider news, new Torch Talks, great columns, Keller's cover story, much more... Hundreds of full-length back issues of PWTorch Newsletter from late-'80s to today... Ad-free access to PWTorch.com's Main Listing... VIP Forum with interaction with other subscribers and Torch staff... Torch Talk Library with text and audio of hundreds of interview installments from last 20 years... Great layout... Deepest archives on pro wrestling history anywhere... Keller's PWTorch Today PDF Bulletins with email alerts... VIP Email reports on major PPVs and TV shows... Staff Roundtable Reviews (text and audio) followiing major events... The best staff of writers and world class reporting since 1987... We'd love for you to join us and experience the most entertaining, authoritative, experienced staff of professional reporters and commentators in the business...

SIGN ME UP NOW!

Compare the value of four or five months of PWTorch VIP content to the price of just one PPV. Can you cut 25 cents a day from your budget to make room for PWTorch VIP?

AND NEW FOR 2009!
Monthly "Vintage Audio Torch Talks." We are releasing for the first time ever audio versions of our text Torch Talk updates, the historical first series of insider interviews ever. Wade Keller's newsmaking in-depth interviews with wrestling's biggest names are now being made available exclusively to VIP members. But you must be a member each month, as these are not archived, so they are replaced with a new one each month! This debuted in January 2009 with a 68 minute interview with the late "British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith. Who's next? Hulk Hogan? Eric Bischoff? The Rock? Goldberg? Jeff Hardy?

SIGN ME UP NOW!


UPCOMING EVENTS LISTING

Articles Grouped by Category
Torch Today
FOURTH OF JULY: Fun facts from the Great American Bash 10 & 20 years ago
TORCH MONTHLY AWARD VOTING: Polls OPEN for best/worst in pro wrestling from the month of June (Part 2 of 2)
TORCH MONTHLY AWARD VOTING: Polls OPEN for best/worst in pro wrestling from the month of June (Part 1 of 2)
WWE News
WWE News: John Cena says where he will be in ten years, talks about "feud" against The Rock
WWE News: Tommy Dreamer interview, Hacksaw Jim Duggan working on a book, Breaking Point PPV update
WWE News: Jeff Hardy contract status update, Hardy's future to be decided soon
TNA News
TNA News: Latest episode of the Spin Cycle with Sting, Jarrett, Cornette, Foley greatness (w/VIDEO)
TNA News: TNA video game franchise without a home after Midway Games bought out; Analysis of interesting domino effect involving WWE
TNA News: Sting talks Shockmaster with Jeff Jarrett, Jim Cornette (w/VIDEOS)
ROH News
ROH News: Lance Storm's first match out of retirement announced, details on second match against Chris Hero
ROH News: Notes on Toronto Gauntlet match, Nigel McGuinness below-average performances into storyline, ROH selling PWG DVDs
TOP FIVE STORIES - Weekend edition: Three WWE PPV title changes, WWE announcer leaving, Lashley blasts Sapp, Jerry Lawler's son arrested, "State of TNA" address
Other News
Other News: Torch Talk All-Star Lanny Poffo Video interview, great poem on taking out Hulk Hogan
Other News: Brian Blair denies hitting his children in Father's Day Fight; local news runs 911 call leading to arrest (w/VIDEO)
Other News: New clip of Rob Van Dam doing a stunt for his upcoming movie (w/VIDEO)
PPV Reports
THE BASH PPV COVERAGE: Listing of the Torch's WWE PPV coverage - Title changes, Jericho writes on Rey match, Miz on Cena match
RADICAN'S WWE THE BASH PPV BLOG 6/28: Ongoing "virtual time" coverage of Orton vs. Hunter PPV
CALDWELL'S WWE THE BASH PPV REPORT 6/28: Ongoing "virtual time" coverage of Orton vs. Triple H, Punk vs. Hardy
TV Reports
WWE VINTAGE COLLECTION TV REPORT 7/5: Awesome show - Tiger Mask '82, Randy Savage vs. Dynamite Kid, Malenko vs. Rey Mysterio
TNA EPICS TV REPORT 7/4: Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss, Infamous Sabu vs. Abyss "Barbed Wire Massacre" match
7/2 TNA Impact Recap by Wilkenfeld: The oddly-invincible Jeff Jarrett
Arena Reports
7/3 WWE in San Diego, Calif.: First-hand report on Edge's apparent injury, Punk vs. Rey Mysterio, Ricky Steamboat in action
6/27 ROH in Chicago: Austin Aries vs. Nigel McGuinness, KENTA vs. Black, Petey Williams looks odd, Crowd eats up Flair's generic promo
6/28 PWG in California: Joey Ryan vs. Necro Butcher, Davey Richards vs. Young Buck, Michael Jackson entrance themes
MMA / UFC Coverage
UFC News: Kimbo Slice, Rampage Jackson, Rashad Evans plus rest of cast of TUF 10 to be revealed...
UFC - ENNIS COLUMN: The Lay of the Lane - A look at MMA's top heavyweights from Brock to Mir to Carwin to Fedor to...
MMA: Plan a week of UFC and other MMA viewing with the Torch's viewer's guide including Liddell vs. Wanderlei Silva
KELLER'S TAKE
KELLER: How bookers, like Jeff Jarrett last night, show that they're the toughest SOBs in the world
KELLER'S TNA IMPACT TAKE 7/2: Thoughts, observations, nitpicks, and quotebook
KELLER'S ECW ON SCI-FI REPORT 6/30: Results, star ratings, thoughts, observations, nitpicks, and quotebook
MITCHELL'S TAKE
MITCHELL SHORT: WWE Proving Once Again That Life is Easy...
MOJO MITCHELL'S 6/29 Raw Stream Of Randy Orton Faces ECW and Loses and That's The Main Event
Mitchell Short: Your Thank-You Note to WWE
MCNEILL'S TAKE
The Names Have Been Changed To Protect The Buyrates: McNEILL Previews WWE Bash 2009!
Redemption: McNEILL previews TNA Slammiversary 7!
MCNEILL BLOG: A Modest Proposal For Monday Night Trump
CALDWELL'S TAKE
CALDWELL: Analysis of WWE's roster shuffle from the 15-person trade - who benefited, which brand needs help
CALDWELL: Instant Reaction to key storylines on Raw and post-PPV developments
CALDWELL: WWE Smackdown/The Bash PPV analysis - Don't Mess with C.M. Punk's dynamic character
RADICAN'S TAKE
RADICAN: Torch readers sounds off on Mark Henry's shining moment on Raw (w/Radican Reax)
RADICAN: Mark Henry's shining moment on Raw leaves a bad smell in the room
RADICAN: A follow up on the Death Before Dishonor audio with Feinstein with notes on Special K angle, Punk-Raven feud, where's Misawa now?
The Specialists
DEROSENROLL's ROH HISTORY: Classic Feuds v.7 - Matt Hardy vs. ROH fans
GARDNER'S KEY MOMENT OF THE WEEK: ECW brand's star power, identity, purpose extinguished by The Trade
HITS & MISSES - TNA IMPACT 7/2: Kevin Nash's moneyball, Eric Young wins a match, SuperJJ thinks he's Triple H, Matches too short (as usual)
Guest Editorials
EDITORIAL: Historical perspective on Austin Aries's ROH Title victory - his journey from main event to mid-card back to main event
EDITORIAL: TNA needs to K.I.S.S. the King of the Mountain match to make it more appealing to TNA viewers
EDITORIAL: How WWE could have better handled the Vickie-Edge segment on Raw and caught up with the year 2009
Torch Feedback
Smackdown TV Reax #1: "Fresh match-ups, superstars, and storylines just create great TV"
Thursday Night TV Reax - SS/Impact: "X Division, we hardly knew ya after Abyss beat up the only two representatives who showed up"
ECW TV Reax #2: "Yoshi is already on the road to being the next Funaki at this point"
Ask the Editor
Ask the Editor: Wouldn't incorporating MMA-style holds into pro wrestling matches just be trying to be something it's not?
ASK THE EDITOR: Have the Michaels-Batista promos crossed a line with use of insider terms, references to "jobs"?
ASK THE EDITOR: Why do wrestlers in WWE refer to wrestling as "the business" and not "the sport"?
DVDs - VGames - Books
RADICAN'S ROH DVD REVIEW SERIES: 2/7 "Proving Ground: Night 2" (Danielson-Generico, Steen-Richards)
RADICAN'S TORCH DVD REVIEW SERIES: YouShoot with Sabu: Sabu opens up about working in WWE, incident with Kurt Angle, negotions with TNA, more...
RADICAN'S PWTorch DVD review: The Best of RVD TV Vol. 1: RVD trains MMA with a UFC fighter, talks the power of the mind with The Ultimate Warrior, discusses love on a beach with Samoa Joe
Torch Flashbacks
KELLER'S TNA IMPACT REPORT (5 Yrs. Ago): Eric Young headlines, Jerry Lynn, R-Truth, Dusty Rhodes, Sabu, A.J. Styles, Jarrett, D-Ray 3000!
OWEN HART 10 YRS. AGO: Bruce Mitchell Feature Column - The Fluke Death of Owen Hart - May 23, 1999
OWEN HART 10 YRS. AGO: Torch Newsletter #550 cover story on Owen Hart's death (PART TWO) - May 23, 1999
VIP Exclusive Features
7/4 Bruce Mitchell Audio Show, part two: The Vickie Guerrero Injustice, Torrie Disrespect, Jericho Laments Schedule, Wrestler Twitters Going Too Far, Punk's Surprising Hardy Comment, TNA's Ho-Hum Kidnapping of Lauren (76 min.)
7/4 Wade Keller Hotline - The News: Edge Injured, Jeff Hardy's Uncertain Future, WWE PPV Strategy, Wrestling on FX? (19 min.)
7/4 VIP East Coast Audio - Smackdown: Punk-Hardy great exchange, Rey loses to Kane, Dolph and Maria an item? (40 min.)
Torch Trivia
TORCH TRIVIA 2/28: Which wrestler backed out of a WWA PPV in February 2002?
TORCH TRIVIA 2/27: Who said this quote about Hulk Hogan's athleticism 11 years ago?
TORCH TRIVIA 2/25: What said this quote about WWE's mid-1990s drug testing policy?
Torch Instant Polls
FOURTH OF JULY POLL: What's your favorite July 4th "gimmick" in pro wrestling?
7/3 SMACKDOWN MICROSCOPE POLL: What related topic from tonight's Smackdown do you want to see analyzed Under the Microscope?
TNA IMPACT POLL: Who was the MVP of the 7/2 episode if you saw the show?
PWTorch Free Podcast
6/23 Nostalgia Audio with Brian Hoops: Former WCW rapmaster PN News joins Brian Hoops to preview upcoming Midwest shows (10 min.)
FREE AUDIO: Keller & Mitchell Discuss Randy Savage's Place in WWE History, Elizabeth's Strengths and Weaknesses
FREE FOR ALL TODAY - 5/31 Keller Hotline: Tons of info on Kennedy situation, immediate future, plus what top star's days in TNA are numbered, what's working against Kennedy getting big push in TNA, much more
Annual Obituaries
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 1999 - Muchnick, Rick Rude, Owen Hart, Renegade...
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 2000 - Solie, Albright, Duncum, Tsuruta, Blue Demon, Al Costello
SPECIALIST: List of Deceased Wrestlers for 2001: Johnny Valentine, Terry Gordy, Chris Adams, Bertha Faye, Helen Hart