Ask the Editor THURSDAY'S ASK PWTORCH ALL-STAR PANEL (#51): Was Macho Man or Triple H the bigger star? Why do "Don't Try This Home" videos have moves that don't injure people? Should Triple H go by another name as COO? Squash matches in 2013?
Oct 17, 2013 - 2:38:27 PM
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PWTorch reader & VIP MEMBER Abdou from Chelmsford, England asks: How does Triple H compare to Randy Savage in terms of their overall careers? It's fair to say that by the time it's all said and done history books will be written to favor Hunter, but on an objective scale how do they compare? I think Triple H was in more money drawing events, but Randy had a more larger-than-life persona, way more charisma, and cut better promos. Randy was a better babyface and arguably a more respected worker for his era and also proved himself outside WWE. Triple H had a long career filled with good to great matches, more so than Randy. Neither of them was the no.1 guy for long stretches, but I favor Randy over Triple H because he was such a big part of the early WrestleMania years. I would love to hear your thoughts?
Brad Stutts (indy wrestling promoter, announcer, manager, show runner) answers: Lanny Poffo said this in a recent DVD interview about someone else but I feel it's 100 percent applicable here: "Randy was chosen BECAUSE he was special. (The other guy) was 'special' because he was chosen." To me there is no comparison. Savage had a vastly superior body of work and is practically a pop culture icon.
Jonny Fairplay (@jonnyfairplay - Reality TV contestant including "Survivor," former TNA on-air performer, frequent PWTorch Livecast guest) answers: I'm a Randy Savage guy! I think the Macho Man persona was one of the greatest in the history of the business. So on every chart, I have Savage ahead of Triple H. Was there lots of Savage that I wasn't a fan of in WCW? Sure. But in his heyday, Macho Man was the best!
Justin Credible (current IWE Champion, former ECW World Champion, former WWF wrestler in the 1990s & 2000s, www.TheJustinCredible.com and on YouTube here including his ongoing Wrestling 101 Series) answers: I think Triple H drew more money, because of the years he spent on top. That attitude era money was crazy, but Savage is a much more Iconic personality in the business. The thing is Triple H isn't done. I think by the time he is off TV it will be an open and shut case, in favor of Triple H.
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PWTorch reader Ruben Jay asks: Should people be calling the WWE COO by "Triple H"? I've always thought that on camera, as the COO, people should refer to Triple H as Hunter. What do you think? Triple H? Hunter? Or Paul Levesque?
John Piermarini (ex-WWE Creative Team member 2009-2010, frequent PWTorch Livecast guest) answers: In the world of the WWE Paul Levesque plays a character named Triple H. Triple H worked his way into power so he's still Triple H.
Justin Credible (current IWE Champion, former ECW World Champion, former WWF wrestler in the 1990s & 2000s, www.TheJustinCredible.com and on YouTube here including his ongoing Wrestling 101 Series) answers: Triple H is the name they are told to use when addressing him. WWE is very careful with their wording. I'm sure he is not called Triple H in the back. Most call him Hunter. Branding, branding, branding.
Jonny Fairplay (@jonnyfairplay - Reality TV contestant including "Survivor," former TNA on-air performer, frequent PWTorch Livecast guest) answers: I don't think it matters. The guy has 10 names and 30 nicknames and we still figure out that it's him.
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PWTorch reader & VIP MEMBER Kevin B. asks: Do you think the squash match format could work today? Maybe they could gradually incorporate it intro Raw? If Raw consisted of squash matches, one or two main event type matches, and two talking segments/angles, what effect do you think it would have on the ratings?
PWTorch contributor Shawn Valentino answers: Thank you for your question Kevin. I absolutely think that squash matches would work today. If you think about it, most of these battles between "superstars" we see weekly are essentially meaningless forgettable bouts that the announcers treat with no level of importance anyway. If some of these matches were replaced by squashes where a star wrestler faces a nameless jobber and shows off his entrance and finishing moves, I do not think there will be any dip in business, and it will preserve the value of matches between two big names.
This could lead to a ripple effect that if done properly should result in championship matches, including the mid-card titles, would mean so much more. Additionally, it could rebuild dream matches and the idea that a fight between two stars is something truly special. I grew up in an era where nearly every match on television was a squash, and I am not advocating the return to that, but if these matches are systematically inserted into their programming, it could result in a better product in the long run.
Additionally, it creates the possibility of a star-making moment when a jobber finally wins a match. I believe that WWE should experiment by slowly adding one or two squash matches to their weekly shows. I believe some of their young stars like the Wyatts and the Shield would greatly benefit to showcase their skills against jobbers. WWE needs to become more disciplined in utilizing their valuable television time, and squashes can become a valuable part of that transition.
PWTorch contributor Benjamin Tucker answers: Sadly, I don't think squash matches really have a place on Raw anymore. The issue lies in the fact that the viewer is expected to sit through a full three hour show every week. That's 1/8 of your entire day! It's so long that the squash matches will be regarded more as filler that can be skipped. If there was an hour long show where the viewer didn't have to dedicate so much time to one program, then maybe they'd feel more compelled to watch it. That being said, the average wrestling watcher has been subjected to all-star cards every week. Would they be willing to view multiple squash matches week after week? At least in the short term (and especially in this instant gratification society), I assert "No."
PWTorch contributor Jimmy Eaton answers: Hi Kevin, great question. I actually always thought it could work today and have mentioned it previously in columns, podcasts, etc. I don't see that being the case for a number of reasons, though. First, I don't think today's fans would be able to get as invested. It's at least less likely. This leads me to my second point where they would have to, in my opinion, modify how all matches are structured because we get squash matches at times now, but they're basically two minute long "matches." I do miss the days of true squash matches and while it's not impossible, the pacing today makes it unlikely to happen again. Ryback was a pleasant exception more recently and, if it were to work today, that's the initial blue print to use.
PWTorch contributor Michael Cupach answers: Squash matches seem to work for debuting wrestlers. Ryback, Brodus Clay, and The Wyatts seemed to benefit from squash matches, Ryback more than the others. I think if Raw was still at two hours it might work, but with three hours the crowd is worn out and not willing to sit through 50/50 back and forth matches, I don’t think they would sit through two hours of squashes and interviews just to get to main event matches. So I would say that today on a three hour Raw, it would kill the ratings.
PWTorch contributor Jon Mezzera answers: I certainly think more squash matches could be incorporated into Raw with a mix of some other longer matches as you suggest. An all squash format like Superstars or Challenge in the '80s would not work. WWE has come too far the other way to go all the way back to that, plus those shows were only an hour. Three hours of mostly squash matches, two talking segments, and only two longer matches doesn't seem like a great way to go. I think that would be way too many squashes in one show. It seems to me that Raw being three hours hurts a lot of otherwise good ideas. Of course, from a business stand point, making fans pay to see more of the biggest matches on PPV makes sense. However, from a fans' prospective, why not just watch more longer higher quality "PPV" worthy matches for free? That way you aren't as compelled to buy a PPV and waste your money on the effort that they have put forth the last few months.
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PWTorch reader Randy Boone of Kunkletown, Pa. asks: Awesome job with the entire Torch production, as always. Just a quick question: I understand why WWE tracks PPV buys (consumers directly purchasing the product) and TV ratings (ammunition to use with networks and sponsors). What is the significance of social media activity numbers? If RAW's social media activity goes through the roof for a stretch of a couple months, how does WWE monetize that, directly or indirectly?
PWTorch assistant editor James Caldwell replies: I separate WWE tracking social media activity from monetizing their social media activity. First, the tracking aspect. Trendrr.TV offers a ridiculous (in a good way) number of metrics for any given TV show tracking what trends within a show, what people talk about during a given minute, and any other social media trends a company wants them to pull. So, this allows WWE to look inside a Raw or Smackdown episode to see what connects with another "focus group" beyond TV viewers and the in-person audience.
The monetization aspect has always been the big question. Twitter could create a system where if, say, WWE gets x-number of people to click on a promoted link, then WWE would generate x-dollars directly from Twitter. But, I think what most people have seen as the best model is using social media to make money in-house. In WWE's case, it would be getting their Twitter followers to click on a WWE.com story that takes them to WWE's website, which produces ad revenue for WWE. So, it's using a direct connection to their Twitter followers to generate website revenue.
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PWTorch reader Xavier from Illinois asks: It's pretty obvious that not all of the clips that WWE shows in their "Don't Try This at Home" PSA's are of legitimate injuries. Some of them are of routine bumps and sells added for dramatic effect. Do you think that in order to hammer home the point that you shouldn't try this at home and legitimate injuries can occur, shouldn't they be focusing on real injuries that wrestlers have sustained?
Justin Credible (current IWE Champion, former ECW World Champion, former WWF wrestler in the 1990s & 2000s, www.TheJustinCredible.com and on YouTube here including his ongoing Wrestling 101 Series) answers: I think they have too. This way it shows that even though we are pros we frequently get hurt. I here were your coming from, but its important too show what does happen in order to get the point across.
Jonny Fairplay (@jonnyfairplay - Reality TV contestant including "Survivor," former TNA on-air performer, frequent PWTorch Livecast guest) answers: No, show the most graphic thing possible to drive home the seriousness.
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